Felix Dennis has started a Facebook discussion urging the use of nuclear power.
It brought to mind one of the most enjoyable interviews of my life when I was writing for Sustainable Solutions magazine in 2007. Almost everything he said flew in the face of the sustainability ethic, yet the magazine loved publishing such an articulate, but alternative, point of view.
I'm putting it in this blog, a) to be able to put a link into Felix's Facebook discussion and b) to share it with a wider audience.
(Disclosure: Felix was the publisher who took a gamble on me, an IT professional, to help create a personal computer magazine in 1979. I ended up as editor of Personal Computer World following its acquisition by Felix's company, Bunch Books.)
Here's the
article:
Eco-fascists, dinosaurs and bonfires
Not one to mince his words, publisher and millionaire Felix Dennis tells David Tebbutt why he has no time for Sitka Spruces, climate change and people he refers to as 'ecoNazis'
Felix Dennis is a rich man. He has no idea how rich but The Sunday Times Rich List suggests £75O million.
He earned it through hard work, a love of publishing, a talent for writing, an eye for an opportunity and great skill at making deals.
His riches have bought him five houses, three estates and, most importantly, the time to do exactly as he pleases. And that includes a plan to create the country's largest broadleaf forest.
He's quietly buying up parcels of land and finger planting woodland on either side. (Splay the fingers of each hand and point them towards each other to get the general idea.) Between the woodland clusters are from ten to forty acres of pasture
To ensure that the forest is kept for the nation, he has created a trust called the 'Forest of Dennis'. It will provide, in his words, "amenity for humans and living space for thousands upon thousands of life forms."
Mr Dennis considers the extreme elements in the environmental world dangerous and he's happy to spell out the likely consequences. He's also happy to spell out what he would do if he were in charge of the world.
Let's meet the man
What would you say to someone who asked what your forest was all about'?
"None of your bloody business."
Oh dear.
He follows this with a gleeful barking laugh, the first of many which punctuated the interview.
Typically, he buys his land from farmers who are giving up.
He says, "Our farming policies are utterly bonkers and I speak as a farmer with 4,000 acres."
Mr Dennis calls the Common Agricultural Policy, "a daft system of agriculture. In decades and centuries to come people will he awestruck at the self-serving, self-dealing and delusional nature of these arrangements."
And the paperwork that has to be submitted is overwhelming many farmers.
"If you make a single mistake you don't get the grant money. The weight of the bureaucracy causes mass despair. And they give up."
Which is handy for Mr Dennis.
"I get the chance to plant trees all over this unwanted farmland. You can come across cows, sheep, and my lovely rare breed pigs living inside these woodland pastures. They're very comfortable and protected from the wind.
"We are creating the charity so the trees are safe from the predations of the government. Because it was the government who chopped down the last lot of all our forests.
"And the only thing they've ever planted is worthless Sitka Spruces which now deface Scotland. Our wildlife hates them. They can't live on them. An oak tree supports a thousand types of life. I think a Sitka Spruce manages six. Totally pitiful."
His motivation seems to be simply to create something beautiful that everyone can enjoy. He says it has nothing to do with the environment, leaving a legacy, tax advantages or soaking up CO2.
Mr Dennis admits to being at odds with every organisation that flies under the conservation, ecology or sustainability banners.
On climate change he says: "I think human beings are totally deluding themselves that they are in charge of the planet. So why do they load themselves up with guilt?
"Humans are animals and we do what animals are programmed to do which is breed and create change by so doing. Elephants, for example, can turn a forested area into savannah within three generations. That's what they do."
He notes that nature appears to have very few requirements of animal life: live, breed, migrate.
Hunger creates migration. Fear too.
"Our wretched Puritans went to America because they weren't allowed to worship the superstitious dogma that they chose. They were only allowed to engage in the superstition which was the dogma of the government of the day. And if they didn't then I'm afraid they had to be chucked on bonfires.”
He believes that many, but certainly not all, conservationists and ecologists, "are rapidly evolving into eco-fascists and eco-Nazis."
The businessman draws parallels with what he calls superstitious fascism.
"I'm sorry to take the Catholic Church, it just happens to be handy. The Jesuits, when they renewed the faith of the Catholic Church, went to people and said certain truths had been brought to us by God. We understand these truths.
"You, on the other hand, are a worthless, stinking peasant and a useless excrescence and a guilty one to boot. Unless you listen very closely to what we say and you do everything that we say, even if you don't understand why, then with the greatest regret we are going to have to chuck you on bonfires after we have tortured you. We're not doing this because we're nasty; we're doing this because we're trying to save your immortal soul."
Here's the parallel, he goes on to say.
"The eco-Nazis say: "l have looked at the planet. Gaia has spoken to me, I understand hundreds of truths that you do not understand. It's all too complex for a person like you. And I'm afraid that, unless you do everything that I say, the entire world is doomed. It's all going to he your fault."
Mr Dennis reckons the bonfires are coming
"What the eco-Nazis don't seem to understand is that the planet doesn't care. We are not in charge. We are just a minor life form and, with a couple of shrugs of its shoulders, the planet will bring humans' so-called domination to an end.
"And we only have one way out.”
He whispers: "We must migrate."
His preferred option is to leave the planet.
"We've reached the limit of our ability to migrate unless we live under the sea. Which, may I remind you, is two thirds of the face of the planet."
"Because I'm 60 years old. I couldn't give a monkey's. Stop thinking 'let's all go back to the stone age, let's only have one billion people on the planet, let's hang on to the edge of the precipice for another one or two hundred years.' This is what's being offered to me by eco-Fascists.
"They offer no solution. There can be no solution to what nature put in motion. Sustainability. What does that mean'? I can show you the bones of dinosaurs, hippopotami, alligators and many other types of creatures that were found by the banks of the Thames
"Was that sustainable when sheets of ice went right up on top of them'? There were no human beings, I believe, who caused the sheets of ice to come down after these animals had been basking on sunny riverbanks for millennia."
How about the sun as the power source?
"If you made me tyrant of the world, the first thing I would have is a thousand atomic desalination plants.
"I'd turn Australia into a garden. It will be green from one end to the other. The icecaps will melt and lots of water will come into the seas. Sea levels will go up and we'll use the water, pump it all out.
"Do it. Now. Why not? Because the eco- fascists say 'you can't do that'
"Why? Because you won't know what to do with the waste. So they think that our kids won't be clever enough to figure out what to do with it? Millions of my people have to die now because of their little fear? No sir. We have the technology. We could do it now. We could turn Saudi Arabia into a Garden of Eden. Why aren't we doing it'? Eco-Fascists
"I'm sorry, but solar power cannot possibly compete with modern atomic technology. I can produce hundreds of millions of gallons of desalinated water using atomic technology. And I can pump it whenever you would like it. I can give jobs to people because they will build the aqueducts.
"And then you will have more room than you ever have thought was possible on the planet. I could see this planet supporting at least a hundred billion people. We're crazy not to be creating far more usable earth than we've ever done before.
"The conservationists want to restrict your life. Using the guise of the death of the Earth, they want you to do everything they say. They wish to become the new priesthood. And they're going about it in exactly the same way that every priesthood always has.
"Most people accept that there is some sort of global warming going on. Whether humans have had anything to do with it is not a matter that anybody is competent to speak upon.
"No benefit ever came from people pointing fingers at other people and blaming them, except to a small number of people who are in charge of allocating the blame.
"I don't despise the people involved, but I do despise the scare tactics which are so redolent of those used by proselytising religions in the past."
"Sustainable Solutions is laughable. The whole idea is laughable
"Sustainable for whom, over what time period'?
"If it wasn't sustainable for dinosaurs, mate, it won't be sustainable for you."
This article was first published in the July/August 2007 issue of 'Sustainable Solutions' magazine. Reproduced with permission of the Mark Allen Group
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